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Our Journey – The Motivation for All of It

This is a cross-post from Brandon’s site that sums up where we are at right now and where we are going.  Make sure to read to the end to figure out why we’ve been so silent lately:

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Here are some of the motives people have when doing signs and wonders (obviously not comprehensive).

  • because they want to get over their own fears
  • because they want to see what they’re capable of
  • because they want to see the miraculous
  • because they want to be seen by others
  • because they want attention
  • because they want money
  • because they want to build up a ministry/name/reputation
  • because they want to prove someone else (or group) wrong
  • because they want to validate/prove their own beliefs
  • because they want to prove their identity
  • because they want approval from God
  • because they hate the devil
  • because they want to do what Jesus said
  • because they want to steward what they have been given
  • because they want to provoke others to good works
  • because they have compassion for the lost and broken

Reading through this list, I am sure you can pick out the “good” and “bad” motives.  But the point I want to make is that there is a “good,” “better,” and “best.”

There is only one motive that Jesus repeatedly mentioned and demonstrated in the gospels, and that is, compassion.  He did do what His Father said, He did have a hate for the work of the devil, He did provoke others to good works, but the only one he preached was compassion.

Every one of those motives that I listed, I’ve done at one point (good and bad), but I have since found that compassion must be the first and foremost motive while I am demonstrating this gospel.

About 8 months ago when I was first starting up, there was a point where I got bored even in the midst of seeing many, many miracles.  Everything somehow started to become routine and the luster of seeing the impossible happen began to wear out.

I started from pure excitement to see what else I could do with resurrection power (Rom 8:11), to feeling completely satisfied because it felt like I was on top of the world, to feeling bored because I wasn’t seeing the “bigger” breakthroughs.

I was pondering this to myself when Holy Spirit matter-of-factly said, “You’re not walking in compassion, you’re not serving, you’re being selfish.  This has been all about you you you.”

Ouch.

I thought for a few minutes and realized what I had done. I was healing the sick for my own satisfaction rather than having compassion for people and serving them.

Healing the sick had become about me, rather than the person in front of me.

“Which miracle I can see today?” rather than “How can I serve my brothers and sisters?”

“I can show you a miracle” rather than “I want you to experience the freedom that Christ has paid for.”

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Why is this relevant?

Jesus placed a very high value on motive.

1.) Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them.  Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. (Matthew 6:1)

Jesus never said charitable deeds were bad, but if you’re doing it with the wrong motive, “you have no reward from your Father in heaven.”

2.) Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread… If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down… All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.” (Matthew 4:1-11)

Jesus never denied his ability to do any of those things.  The issue was not about the task, but whose voice He was listening to.

3.) And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.  And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing. (1 Cor 13:2-3)

You can read someone’s mail, you can have the greatest revelation, you can have mountain-moving faith, you can feed the poor, you can die a martyr’s death, but if it isn’t because of the outworking of love, you’ve missed it.

Let me explain…

1.) If you are healing the sick for the purpose of getting a name or reputation, or building a ministry (to be seen by other people), you’ve missed it.

2.) If you are healing the sick for the purpose of proving your identity, or to prove someone else wrong, or prove your theology right, you’ve missed it.

If someone challenges you by saying “If you are who you say you are, prove it” or “If you can really do what you say you can do, prove it” you are being tempted on the level that Jesus was tempted.

My friend Cornel said this recently:

The greatest temptation is not porn, alcohol, drugs, success or wealth.The greatest temptation you will face is when you are asked to prove your identity by supernatural manifestations.

The devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness, and the Pharisees tempted him twice (Matt 12:38Matt 16:1).  Both times, Jesus passed the test and didn’t comply to their request.

3.) It is possible to do signs/wonders – even other things we have been commanded to do – without love and compassion.

‘Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’  And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ – Matthew 7:22-23

You can do everything Jesus did, but not actually know Him.  You can mimic His acts, but still miss His ways.  You can have all the supernatural signs and wonders, but not have supernatural Love.

“By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” – John 13:35

Again, to reiterate, not every single motive is bad.  Healing the sick because you hate the devil and his work or because Jesus said to do it are both good motives.  But let it first and foremost be because you have compassion for people.

“And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.” – 1 Cor 13:13

If you’re walking in resurrection power, it is very easy to go back to your church to “prove” that healing is for today. It is easy to confront powerless preaching by demonstrating power.

It is easy to do miracles just because it’s exciting, but if compassion is not your first motive, people can tell when you are treating them like projects rather than a person.

It is easy to see miracles everyday, but it’s just as easy to get to a point where you do it mechanically, “Ok, be healed.  Awesome.  Jesus loves you.  Bye” rather than flowing in compassion and actually caring about the person.

If you’re just starting out, it’s very easy to get caught up with seeing more miracles. That’s not bad in itself, but don’t stay there, learn to walk in compassion for people.

If you’re around old friends or skeptics and you want to show them real power, it’s tempting to get caught up in trying to prove that what you have is real, rather than walking in compassion.

If you’re praying for someone that seemingly isn’t getting better, it’s easy to get angry at the devil and have that become the driving force instead of having compassion.

If you didn’t think “outreach” wasn’t good/successful solely because you didn’t see anyone get healed, something is off.

If you feel like you can’t minister to a person just because that person doesn’t have a sickness or ailment, then you’ve missed the point. The point is to demonstrate Jesus and have compassion for the person you are in front of.

If the only reason why you’re doing the Great Commission is because Jesus told us to do it, rather than it being an overflow of the Greatest Commandment, you’ve missed it.

The point is NOT to build a healing ministry, the point is to have a life that looks like Jesus; to walk as he walked (1 John 2:3-6) and re-present Him (1 John 4:17). In the context of the whole book of 1 John, it is overwhelmingly clear that “love” is the command.

Love is not contained in healing the sick, but healing the sick is an act of love. If you feel like you can’t minister to someone if they don’t have a sickness, you have not learned to love [fully].  Some people just need a glimmer of hope (Proverbs 13:12), some people need Wisdom from God (Eph 3:10), some people need some cash to buy food, and some people just need a listening ear.

Let me reiterate, most of these motives I have listed are not bad (or evil),and I have done them myself at one point, I’m just saying there is one motive that we are told to operate in.

“By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” – John 13:35

My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and intruth. – 1 John 3:18

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On a different point, we, at the house, have decided to take an indefinite amount of time  off from the internet to answer some questions that we have. We understand that many people have been impacted by what we are doing, but we have failed when we have created a following that looks to us rather than the Teacher Himself.

Self-educate.  Take responsibility for the world around you.  Get answers for yourself. If you have something to say, say it.  It is not pride to shout something you know is true and/or if you know that it will set people free.

When Paul said, “Imitate me, for I imitate Christ,” I think he was saying, “Do what I am doing, I am following Jesus; you should follow Jesus.”  He was NOT saying, “Copy me, because I copied Jesus.”  He was saying, “Copy me, in the sense that all I am doing is learning to be like Jesus.”

If you make a copy of a copy of a copy, eventually you will look quite different than the Master.

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various waysbut in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.” – Hebrews 1:1-3

Jesus is perfect theology… Anything you think you know about about God, that you can’t find in the person of Jesus, you have reason to question. – Bill Johnson

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If you guys really need to connect with us, email will work and you can use the contact page on our site to do that.

So until next time, peace to you, grace to you.

- Ryan, Laura, Brandon, SueEllen

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Testimony of Deafness BROKEN!

We just got this email from my wife’s aunt from when we visited her church in Colorado (a few weeks ago) and were asked to pray for people…full testimony of a woman’s leg and ears getting healed!  Doctors have verified it and we will be putting up the verification as we are able to get it.

The video testimony is directly below here—the e-mail below that is what has happened since this video was taken.  She sent it to her pastor and it made its rounds to us.

To download the 5 pictures of the doctor’s report that confirms her healing, click here!


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“While you were in India, I felt impressed to join the Prayer Team at the front of the sanctuary and pray for people who needed special prayer that Sunday morning (almost 3 weeks ago). I had taken a sabbatical, as you know, for quite a long time from the Prayer Team as well as being a Guest Specialist until I had fully recovered from my many injuries, surgeries, etc. of this past year. But because of how God spoke to me through Pastor Jason’s message, I knew it was time to “get back in the race.” What a joy it was for me to intercede for others!!

On my way out of the sanctuary, I was stopped by some young people I’d never met before. I had forgotten that Pastor Jason had mentioned a healing team from California being in the prayer room for those who needed healing prayer.  They asked me why my right foot was in a boot. I told them about dropping the computer monitor on it over Memorial Day weekend and crushing it.  It had really been throbbing and painful all day Saturday and I was feeling discouraged that I’d have to wear the boot for another month, according to my doctors.

They also commented on my hearing aids and asked how long I’d been wearing them.  I told them for 11 years and that my hearing was so bad, my audiologist told me I had the hearing loss of someone in their 70′s (back when I was 50!). The young people asked if they could pray for my hearing as well as my foot! I told them I didn’t think anyone had ever prayed for my hearing before and that it would be fine if they wanted to do that.

They sat me in a chair and the leader of the group lifted both feet up towards him and told me one leg was shorter than the other.  I told him it was probably from months of limping around funny in both boots at different times.  He said, “Watch this!” As he prayed a very short but direct prayer for healing, we watched my right [leg] grow longer right before our eyes!! I didn’t remove the boot until I got home because I didn’t have an extra shoe with me.

But when I got home, I removed the boot and haven’t worn it since.

Then the young people prayed for my ears.  The young man snapped his fingers over each ear and said, “Be open in the name of Jesus!” I didn’t feel anything or notice a difference until he asked me to please remove my hearing aids. So I held them in my hand while he walked behind me and told me to “repeat after me”!  Pastor Peter, he was halfway across the Sanctuary when I turned around and realized I could hear him whispering to me!! I haven’t worn the hearing aids since that Sunday either.

The only person I told at work was my boss, Dan, who’s a Christian.  He kept trying not to cry on that Monday morning.  He believed me but suggested I contact my audiologist and get a hearing test done so I’d have proof for those who didn’t believe me and thought I was a kook!

My audiologist has been on vacation but I saw her this morning at 7:30 and she did a thorough audiology test in the little booth they use.  Half-way through, I could hear Linda sniffling and I knew she was crying.

She kept saying, “I can’t believe this! I just can’t believe this!” I not only scored 100% on the high and low sounds she played in both ears while I punched the button to let her know I could hear them, I also was able to repeat every single word back to her without missing any of them. I’ve never been able to do that before.

Linda came into my booth and asked me to tell her again what happened to me at church a few weeks ago.  She took my chart and told me she had to show my test results to Dr. Reiner because he would never believe it! But she was so disappointed he wasn’t at work yet, she grabbed the billing lady and brought her in and asked me to repeat my story.  The billing lady was a Believer and just kept grinning at me and said, “I believe! I know God can heal people today!”

Linda was crying and said, “Well, I’ve heard of things like this happening, but I just never saw it until today, and I’ve been an audiologist for years (She’s even a “Doctor of Audiology”)! I just kept shouting, “Praise God! Praise God! Praise God!” Linda told the billing lady that I had started losing my hearing from all the scar tissue caused by my Dad’s beating for so many years when I was a little girl.  It was inoperable and their fear was that someday I might lose my hearing totally!

Linda said she’d write up a report and mail it to me along with copies of my past tests to show the comparisons between then and today. I just couldn’t wait to share this wonderful news with you, Pastor Peter.  I haven’t told anyone but my boss because I wanted to wait for the report to prove what I’m sharing is true.  Isn’t God good?

Please let the staff know and whoever else you might want to share this awesome news with and rejoice with me at God’s goodness. He truly is a miracle working God and I want the whole world to know!

- Jayne”

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Paul’s Thorn Was Not Sickness

This is one of the most frequently used passages of Scripture that is quoted to refute the goodness of God and His desire to heal and set free all who are oppressed by the devil.  Regardless of all of the verses which say “Jesus healed them all”, the issue of Paul’s thorn is one that is very frequently used to defend the works of the devil and call them works of God that are sent to teach character and humility.

I assure you that if you have spent any amount of time in the church, you have probably been taught that Paul’s thorn was some strange eye disease or something that God refused to heal.  That is absolutely a doctrine of devils.

Here is a video I did on the topic:



If you would like to go to the original site where this article was posted, please click here.

The audio series that goes with the article below is called God Wants You Well and can be downloaded here.

Healing Is In Christ’s Atonement Real MP3
What About Paul’s Thorn In The Flesh Real MP3
Why Isn’t Everyone Healed? Real MP3
The Laws Of Faith Real MP3

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Paul’s Thorn In The Flesh

By Andrew Wommack

And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan (NOT GOD) to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.” (2 Cor. 12:7-10)

This thorn in the flesh that Paul mentioned has been used and misused by Christians to justify submitting to nearly any problem that comes along. Satan has twisted this passage of Scripture to deceive many, many people into believing that God would not heal Paul, so how can they expect to be healed? Let us examine this closely and find out exactly what Paul’s thorn in the flesh was.

First of all, this “thorn” came because of the abundance of revelations Paul had received. Until a person has an abundance of revelations, similar to what Paul had, he is not going to have a “thorn.” That would disqualify just about all of those who have been hiding behind Paul’s thorn.

Then, verse 7 says it came lest Paul should be exalted above measure. Traditionally, that has been interpreted to say the thorn was to keep Paul humble. Therefore, God had to be the author of it, because only God would want Paul to be humble. But there is a godly way of being exalted.

First Peter 5:6 says, “Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time.” Those who submit (humble) themselves to God will be exalted by God. Paul was not speaking of exalting himself above measure through pride, but rather, the thorn came from Satan to keep Paul from being exalted by God in the eyes of the people. Many more people would have received what Paul preached if everything was always “rosy” for him. But there was this messenger of Satan who always buffeted Paul and scared away the faint-hearted from committing themselves to Jesus, whom Paul preached.

God magnified, or exalted, Joshua in the sight of his people (Josh. 3:7). He continued to do that with the people He used on into the new covenant (Acts 5:13). So, we see that the exalting spoken of is not a negative kind but a godly kind. That just further strengthens the fact that the thorn was not God’s doing.

In verse 7, right after the thorn in the flesh is mentioned, there is a phrase set off by commas which says, “The messenger of Satan to buffet me.” This is an explanation of what the thorn was. It was not a thing but rather a demonic messenger. The word used as “messenger” here is always translated as angel or messenger and refers to a created being. So, Paul’s thorn was literally a demon sent from Satan to buffet him. The word “buffet” means to strike repeatedly as waves would buffet the shore.

How did this demonic force continually strike Paul? Traditionally it has been taught that it was with sickness, and the thing that made many accept that is the use of the words “weakness” and “infirmity” in verses 9 and 10. Infirmity definitely does mean sickness and is used that way in 1 Timothy 5:23, but that is not the only meaning of the word. The number two definition is any lack or inadequacy. For instance, Romans 8:26 says, “the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities.” In this case, the context makes it clear that it is not speaking of sicknesses but rather not knowing what to pray for. Our finite minds are an infirmity, or an inadequacy.

If we look at the context of Paul’s thorn in the flesh, we find that infirmity does not mean sickness in 2 Corinthians 12:9 and 10. In 2 Corinthians 11:30, Paul uses the exact terminology of “glorying in infirmities” that is used just a few verses later in speaking about this thorn. In the eleventh chapter he had just finished listing what those infirmities were. In verses 23-29, he lists such things as imprisonment, stripes, shipwrecks, and stonings; none of these speak of sickness. Verse 27 mentions weakness and painfulness, which some have tried to make mean sickness, but it is just as possible he could have been weary and suffered painfulness from such things as being stoned and left for dead (Acts 14:19). All these things listed in 2 Corinthians 11 refer to persecutions as infirmities. So, in context, Paul’s thorn was a demonic angel or messenger sent by Satan which continually stirred up persecution against him. This is also verified by three Old Testament references (Num. 33:55; Josh. 23:13 and Judg. 2:3), where people are spoken of as being “thorns in your sides” and “thorns in your eyes.”

Paul asked the Lord to remove persecution from him, not sickness, and the Lord told him His grace was sufficient. We are not redeemed from persecution, and Paul later stated that when he said in 2 Timothy 3:12, “All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” Most gladly, therefore, he gloried in persecutions, reproaches, necessities, and distresses that the power of Christ might rest upon him (2 Cor. 12:9). The word “glory” is an old English word which means to have dominion over or command. It is used in Exodus 8:9 where Moses told Pharaoh to glory over him, or command him, when to destroy the frogs. So when Paul spoke of glorying in these infirmities or persecutions, he was speaking of victory even in the midst of continual harassment.

In Acts 14:19, Paul was stoned and left for dead, but God raised him up, and the next day he walked at least twenty miles into the next town and started preaching again. The Lord did not stop the persecution, but God’s strength was certainly made perfect in Paul’s weakness (verse 9). Can you imagine what those that stoned him must have thought? They could see Paul’s humanity in the cuts and bruises, but they could also see the supernatural strength of God flowing through him. “For when I am weak, then am I strong” (verse 10).

There are two other passages of Scripture that those who believe Paul’s thorn in the flesh was sickness have tried to use to verify that. One is Galatians 4:13-15. Here Paul says that he preached the Gospel to these Galatians through an infirmity of the flesh, and in verse 15, he makes reference to these people being willing to poke out their own eyes and give them to him. From this, I have heard ministers preach that Paul’s thorn was a rare, ancient disease which was characterized by runny, puffy eyes. But let us look at whom Paul was speaking to when he said this. He was writing to the people who lived in the region known as Galatia, which had as its major cities, Derbe, Lystra, and Iconium. The instance we mentioned earlier, where Paul was stoned and left for dead, happened in Lystra, a city of Galatia. The next day Paul walked to Derbe, another city of Galatia, and began preaching unto them. I’m sure he had runny, puffy eyes, along with multiple cuts and bruises, but they were not the result of some disease. They were the result of having just been stoned. He also says in verse 13 that his infirmity was “at the first,” which leaves the impression it was only a temporary thing that he recovered from.

The next scripture used to say Paul’s thorn was bad eyes is also in Galatians, chapter 6, verse 11. It says, “Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand.” People have said Paul’s eyes were so bad that he had to write in large letters, and this is what he was making reference to. That is only a supposition and not a very good one at that. It is a lot more credible to believe that he was simply referring to the long letter he had written to the Galatians.

The reason it is so important to realize that the thorn in the flesh was not something which Jesus died to redeem us from, such as sickness, is so that we won’t submit ourselves to these things. James 4:7 says, “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” We have to resist, or actively fight against, the devil and the things he brings, to see them flee. Satan has used traditional teaching about Paul’s thorn to bring many Christians to a place of submitting to him. But, praise God, you shall know the truth and the truth, shall set you free.
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This is a short article that our friend Jeremy Penwarden wrote on this topic:

“What was Paul’s thorn in the flesh? It’s a well kept secret in the church – don’t want too much truth out there spoiling our religion.

We say you’re a pain in the neck. That doesn’t mean discomfort just above the shoulders. In England we say for heavy rain ‘it’s raining cats and dogs’.  1000 years from now some historian may think that we used to have literal dogs and cats falling from the sky!

It’s in the Hebrew culture..

“But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then those of them whom you let remain shall be as barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides, and they shall trouble you in the land where you dwell. ” – Num 33:55-56

“I will not drive them out before you, but they shall become thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare to you. ” – Judges 2:3

Both talking about a people group who are your enemy causing trouble.

So it’s clear that thorn in the flesh or thorn in the side is a Hebrew saying, not to be understood literally.

If we accept that Paul’s thorn in the flesh was a people group who were his enemy it seems clear to me that this was what he called the circumcision party. The religious Jews who were infiltrating the church to bring it back to having to obey Jewish laws.

God said He wouldn’t stop that religious spirit in the church. He wants us to fight it. Why you may ask? Well, Jesus never cast out a religious spirit. He cast out every other kind, but not that. Actually, Satan’s fall when He was Lucifer was a religious fall – he wanted to be worshipped along side God.

Adam and Eve’s fall was also religious. They had been made already like God, but the temptation was that if they ate the fruit they’d BECOME like God. So they wanted by their own works to become that which God had already made them, which is at the heart of religion.”

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For more information (ammunition) and some more intensive articles on this subject, please check out our friend Cornel’s site below:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

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Here is also a video of a friend, Pete Cabrera, who spoke on Paul’s thorn.

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